which is better

I don't have either but I could make that decision based on reputation alone.

Associated.

whats wrong with duratrax?

Duratrax,I have the Evader ST Pro and the Mini Quake SE.So far no problems,both are quality products.

but which would be a better choice? the vendetta or the rc18b?

RC18b....more support and after everyone is bored w/ em you can buy parts for cheap....just like the mini-T and the RC18T

Another vote for the RC18B. I got one recently, and have already wore out the RTR motor. Next is a Reedy MiniMax, while I save for a brushless setup.

Parts availlability for the 18B would be a LOT easier for your LHS, too. As most LHS's do the majority of their ordering thru Horizon (I know; I used to work at one), which Associated can be gotten thru. Duratrax, on the other hand, is a Great Planes (Tower Hobbies) ONLY brand.

Another one for Associated. Parts, options and support. :hammer:

ok thanks everyone i am going with the rc18b then.